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10/01/2004: "My Response to a Letter About the Election"

Hey Gig,

I don’t despise anyone; but I do hate ignorance because it generates fearful men, which leads to violence!

To know the cause of ignorance we must answer these questions honestly:

Does academia create the atheistic and theological concepts that divide us, and design our nuclear, biological and chemical weapons?

Name one atheistic democracy?

Name one democratic theocracy - Iran, the Vatican?

To solve a problem – you must know the root cause of the problem!

Atheism and theology have caused all of the holy wars, holocausts, jihads and violent ideological revolutions of history, including the violent atheistic revolutions of:: Russia, China, Korea, Vietnam, Cambodia, and Cuba, the Korean and Vietnam wars, the Cold War, the Arms Race, the destruction of the World Trade Center and subsequent wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. There is much more to come!

To end the violence caused by that ignorance, we must resolve the God / no-God conflict intellectually. That can, and will, be done! You can help achieve that goal – TELL EVERYONE YOU POSSIBLY CAN TO VISIT www.realists.org.

In the Ideology Free Zone,

Patrick.


FYI: If Bush wins the election, we will be in Iraq twenty years from today!


If Kerry wins, we will be in Iraq twenty years from today!


To read the original letters click on "more" below.




-----Original Message-----
From: gig
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 8:54 PM
To: IdeologyFreeZone@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [IdeologyFreeZone] Re: To Beat Bush, Kerry Must Revitalize the United Nations



Although I despise George Bush, I likewise despise the U.N. It has
few teeth and even less backbone. AS long as social monsters like
China have veto power, resolutions worth their weight in knats brains
are all they achieve.
If it truly were all the nations of the world united, perhaps it
would work, but even then, who's better to trust America's security
than the United States itself? The only one losing when a superpower
hands over its swords are those smaller countries with ambtions of
expansion.
The UN has done nothing to hault North Korea from developing Nuclear
weapson. Has done nothing to the man in Pakistan who leaked nuclear
secrets, only to be pardoned. Has done nothing for the murdered and
homeless in Darfur, hasn't stopped Iran from furthering its nuclear
program, and did nothing to Saddam Hussein that kept him from
continually ignoring them. The UN is the reason assholes like George
Bush rush in in the first place. IF they had been doing their job,
this war would have been ended years before it started.
NO, what we need is someone who won't fight over bullshit and be
dedicated to humanity around the globe. War should be reserved for
the defense of the nation and our vital allies. Imperialists like
Bush are the problem, not our lack of unity with the UN.
The biggest villains this year in American politics have been the
democrats, for not unifying the party to be the party of the working
man, instead of the fag, abortion activists, and other splinter
groups that don't have mainstream support. Plus, they couldn't have
found anyone more left of George Bush than John Kerry. I think if
John Edwards or HOward Dean were running for president, the election
would be all but wrapped up by now and George Bush would be thinking
about barbecues back in Texas for next summer.
John Kerry isn't the best choice for a leader in AMerica, but he
certainly may be the lesser of the two evils when George Bush is the
alternative.
And as for getting religious leaders together, I like that idea.
let's have them all meet in Iraq without any guard, pockets full of
cash, wearing their rolexes and silk suits, and with a big sign that
says, Please God, keep them from beheading us. And then we can all
see if God does it. If not, I guess they're all wrong and religion
will be shown for the bullshit that it truly is. Surely those men of
God have nothing to fear from death? What? They're going to die and
go to heaven? Wouldn't that be terrible! Maybe they could rent a
bullet proof car off the Vatican. But then again, I bet a lot of
those catholics do fear death more than some other religious leaders
and might not want to part with them. But then again, I doubt they'd
be able to show up in Iraq, they're probably too busy preparing for
court and all those child molesting lawsuits against their "men of
God".
The more I learn about people, and of people, and the ways of people,
the more I think we'd all be better off if somebody just releases all
the nukes, and then God can sort us all out from there. Hell, maybe
that's George BUsh's plan and we just don't know it yet?
.--- In IdeologyFreeZone@yahoogroups.com, John Dale
wrote:
> To Beat Bush, Kerry Must Revitalize the United Nations
>
> by John Dale
>
> People had better let John Kerry know that he has
> perhaps two weeks in which to break out of the
> psychological "frame" that Republicans have put him in
> and to articulate in detail an election-winning change
> in US foreign policy --
>
> * a change that will bring about greater idealism and
> hope and more constructive attitudes in the world and
> in the war on terror;
> * a change that will trump the "pre-emptive war"
> leadership of George W. Bush and give the American
> people a strong reason to elect Kerry as their next
> president.
>
> That change is for Kerry to recommit the United States
> to revitalizing the role of the United Nations in
> world society, including its roles in humanitarian aid
> and human rights protection, education and public
> health, sustainable energy and economic development,
> election monitoring and peaceful democratization, and
> arms control, disarmament, and international
> peacekeeping specifically in the Middle East.
>
> In recommitting the US to the UN, Kerry needs to turn
> domestically and globally to people of religion, just
> as Bush has done, but to mainstream, constructive,
> ethical, trans-denominational religion, not the
> speculative "end times" religions of Al-Qaeda and the
> Republican far right. He should announce his program
> officially at a world summit of religious and
> political leaders at the UN.
>
> Kerry's sincerity in this recommitment will be central
> to gaining the cooperation of other UN Member States
> in bringing about the best possible resolution of the
> insurgent situation in Iraq. Why else should they
> help the US out of the mess that defying the UN has
> created?
>
> Kerry must remind us that while we are fighting
> terror, there are other things to be feared as well:
> * lost profits based on world hatred of US foreign
> policies,
> * loss of American jobs and the destruction of the US
> middle class,
> * the increasing poverty of America's poor,
> * Americans' increasing loss or absence of medical
> security,
> * the increasing threat of global warming,
> * the global depletion of non-renewable resources,
> * global AIDS, and
> * the massive debt we are piling onto our children's
> future.
>
> Kerry must replace the arrogant neo—con vision of a
> "New American Century," which has ignored the above
> threats and abandoned the UN, with the vision of a New
> Global Century of Human Cooperation. He must lead us
> to strive not for a century of US domination but for a
> century of US help in building a sustainable global
> future for everyone through peaceful, democratic means
> -- a century of "global democracy without hypocrisy."
>
> Kerry must articulate a global norm of "Do unto others
> ..." and, in recommitting the US to the UN, he should
> articulate how, consistent with that norm, Iraq should
> in fact have been handled through the United Nations,
> to wit:
>
> (1) Expanded UN Weapons Inspections. Kerry should
> affirm that UN weapons inspections should have
> continued and could have been vastly expanded to
> determine any real threat to international peace and
> security.
>
> (2) Other UN inspections. The UN could have instituted
> inspections on other problems such as human rights
> abuses, Iraqi prison conditions, electoral due process
> abuses, and humanitarian aid distribution, thereby
> peaceably pressuring Iraq into compliance.
>
> (3) A Security Council criminal tribunal. The US,
> working through the UN Security Council, could have
> tried to initiate systematic legal actions against
> individuals in the Iraqi government for their past
> murderous actions using a special international
> criminal tribunal such as those created for the
> genocides in Rwanda and Eastern Europe.
>
> (4) The International Criminal Court for future
> crimes. The US could also have supported the new
> International Criminal Court and its possible
> jurisdiction over future crimes against humanity in
> Iraq.
>
> (5) The UN Trusteeship Council. If warranted, the US
> could have moved the Security Council to put Iraq
> under a comprehensive international trusteeship using
> the UN Trusteeship Council until human rights were
> restored. This arrangement could have tried to enlist
> the aid of the 57 members of the Organization of the
> Islamic Conference.
>
> (6) Regional disarmament. In conjunction, Iraq could
> have been disarmed as part of creating a regional
> "weapons-free zone" in the Middle East – which the
> United Nations General Assembly has been officially
> urging for decades.
>
> (7) The International Court of Justice. At every major
> step of the way, the US and/or the UN General Assembly
> or the UN Security Council could have asked the
> International Court of Justice for advisory opinions,
> thus strengthening the international due process of
> law.
>
> But the US did none of the above, invaded without UN
> authorization, and our current president is now
> clueless about how to win the peace.
>
> Help, however, is on the way.
>
> (John Dale is the Envoy to the UU United Nations
> Office from the Granite Peak Unitarian Universalist
> Congregation in Prescott, AZ. gpuuenvoy@y...)
>
>
>
>
>
>
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